Monday, October 28, 2024

Cancer

BRINGING THE BIG “C” WORD, CANCER, DOWN TO SIZE

The main emphasis of most fund raisers and promotional material directed towards cancer is “Let’s Find A Cure.”  Hundreds of millions of dollars have been raised towards a cure.  But still “no cure.”  Although the theme seems right to most, this presentation does not address the subject of which cancer.  There are many studies and opinions, but even with all the high-tech modalities (treatments) that attempt to “cure” cancer via chemotherapy and radiation, the average survival rate is five years although there are exceptions.

Cancer is not an accident! There is always a cause and effect with any sickness and disease.  It is a result of converging spiritual, psychological, and environmental mixes that contribute to an atmosphere conducive for cancer cells to thrive.  Cancer thrives in an acidic environment, but then fear, anxiety and stress contribute to acidity.  Is it possible that the alkaline environment could be achieved by taking our peace? 

Then there is the white corpuscle killer called Cortisol that is released like a leaky faucet in direct relationship to fear and stress.  Victimization and broken relationships also create an atmosphere of fear, dread, sadness, hopelessness, and despair (depression).  Despair is sometimes expressed at the cellular level as Malignancy (the quality or state of being).

It has been the observation of Henry Wright that there is a very high statistical connection between females who get breast cancer in the left breast and unresolved conflict between her and another female family member.  This observation also has shown breast cancer in the right breast can be because of unresolved conflict between her and a non-blood female relative; conflict with her mother-in-law is highly implicated.

There seems to be perhaps an overemphasis on nutrition as a cure or prevention.  Antioxidants and other food products are important as building blocks of cell maintenance but may times cell-mutation have nothing to do with what we eat.  Then there is the inherited iniquity/sin (genetic connection) tied to sickness and disease as it goes down the generation line.  We must see a critical dimension to give us insights beyond the protocol being offered by science and doctors.

Is it possible to prevent cancer?  Which type of cancer can we cure or prevent?  Let us look at the different kinds of cancer and talk about how cancer gets a foothold.

Cancer is not an accident!  We can also talk about genetic and environmental issues which contribute to abut 20 percent of cancers.  Henry Wright has been an enemy of cancer for more than 30 years and he has seen many people healed.  Even stage four terminal cancers that had metastasized.  Today these people are well today leading normal lives.

Cancer In Men and Women

The number one type of cancer that kills men is lung cancer.  The second leading cancer that kill men is prostate cancer, followed by colon and rectal cancer, pancreatic, liver, leukemia, esophageal, bladder, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and kidney cancer.

The number one type of cancer that kills women is also lung cancer, followed by breast, colon & rectum, pancreatic, ovary, leukemia, no-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, uterine, liver, and cancer that affect the brain & nervous system.  These statistics are from the American Cancer Society.

There are many people who talk about the cause of cancer, and most of their discussion have to do with obesity, lack of exercise, and smoking.  Surely, much of that has its bearing on health.  But we must bring forth a new concept involving caner, and it includs more than just physical wellness.  Be in Health Inc is dedicated to wholeness of spirit, soul, and body.  In their understanding of the Spiritual Roots of Disease, they have discovered the possible spiritual root issues behind more than 1,000 diseases affecting the mind, emotions, and body.

In the issue of cancer all three parts of our being need attention.  We need to talk about our spirituality, our personality, and of course our physiology. Is it possible that the body is a responder to our thoughts?

The Mind-Bosy Connection

The study of the mind-body connection is a well-known science.  The field of psychoneuroimmunology studies the effects of the mind over the central nervous system and the immune system.  One of the scriptures that come to mind is in the book of Isaiah.  It says that God’s people went into captivity because they had no knowledge, Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people have gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge; Their honorable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst. 

The prophet Hosea picks up the theme and says, my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.  The second part of Hosea says that the knowledge God’s people had, they did not even use, Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.  Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

We are supposed to love God, His Word, and love our neighbors as ourselves, but does that mean we do it?

Matthew 22:36-40 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment.  And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’  On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Jesus taught us the foundation of the law and prophets.  It is that we love God, love ourselves, and love our neighbor (everyone else).  This has to do with the understanding of the spirituality, pathology (science) and etiology (causes) of cancer and how we prevent it, cure it, and heal it.  It is very important to note that all sicknesses and diseases have a root cause and it can be found in Deuteronomy 28:15-68. It is called disobedience, which is sin. Unfortunately, we as believers go to doctors who only treat the symptoms.  Not the causes that lead to the symptoms.  Why are we going to doctors if they only treat the symptoms and we remain ill?

There are different types of tumors and they involve both cancerous and benign or non-cancerous tumors.  Both involved cell mitosis or rapid cell multiplication.  Cancer is invasive and it enlarges and destroys good tissue that is needed for your survival.  Cancer kills because it is invasive and it enlarges, destroys, and crowds out healthy cells.  It steals the life support needed by the body.

Cancer Coming Out of Conflict

Benign, or non-non-cancerous localized fibroid tumors are really coming from a person’s conflict with themselves from self-rejection.  When you find tumors that are cancerous, many times that comes out of conflict with others. Also, cancers that are invasive can metastasize and appear in other parts of the body.  These two have one thing in common and that is bitterness, which compromises the immune system as it pertains to white T cells.  In the Bible it is called dry bones.  Meaning, the bone marrow where white T cells are produced to fight immune diseases, Proverbs 17:22 A merry heart does good, like medicine, but a broken spirit (bitterness, anger, unforgiveness) dries the bones (bone marrow).

If you are struggling with cancer, you have a compromised immune system. The macrophages and killer cells of your immune system do not recognize the antigen marker on the cancer cell identifying it as the enemy.  Not only is the immune system compromised, but the interleukin 1 and interleukin 2 are compromised which inhibits your macrophages (White T Cells) and killer cells from recognizing the antigen marker on the cancer cell. 

The Need to Identify the Enemy

God has created your immune system to identify any antigen markers.  Everything that comes into your body has a marker.  Your immune system is designed to recognize the enemy– viruses, bacteria, cancer, or whatever sickness and disease you are suffering with.  A person with a healthy immune system will not usually be prone to infections.  People that are prone to infections and viral attacks usually have a compromised immune system.  Cancer is not from God.  God is not trying to kill you. God is not trying to teach you a lesson by giving you cancer.

Satan is the one trying to kill you, John 10:7-10   Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.  All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.  I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.   Satan is our enemy and he has programmed us with sin to get cancer in 80 percent of all cases. God’s perfect will is not to heal you; His perfect will is that you do not get sick. 

Your immune system has been created with anti-oncogenes (tumor suppressors genes) which protect your cells and cause your immune system to recognize any invaders and destroy them.  Many things can tamper with or destroy them.  Many things can tamper with or destroy this part of your immune system, including radiation.  Contained within each one of your cells is a pair of anti-oncogenes.  If that pair is broken and you have only one anti-oncogene in your cell, then you are termed as vulnerable or susceptible to cancer.  If both anti-oncogenes are destroyed or mutated, your cell is totally compromised and totally vulnerable for mitosis (cell duplication) and tumor development.

For many years, science believed that viruses caused cancer.  Scientist changed their minds a few years ago and now they say viruses do not cause cancer, but they like to show up where body tissue is in trouble.  God did not create viruses.  They can be considered a genetic foreign life force.

Viruses have intelligence and can be activated by thought and emotions.  Emotional life conflicts can also trigger genetic defects in the chromosomes of a person that can be responsible for certain types of cancer developing.  What has been found in Be In Health ministry is that emotional and spiritual injury including conflict and bitterness, as well as a broken heart and loss of a love object can cause feelings of hopelessness and despair (depression) and trigger the destruction of the protective enzymes in cells.

Toxicity Healed by Forgiveness

There are internal influences that can produce toxicity within the body, but there are also external influences that that can produce toxicity such as smoking.  Smoking brings carcinogens that can destroy the anti-oncogenes, causing your cells to become compromised and there is nothing to protect your cells from developing cancer. In addition, each cigarette is a trauma/stressor to the body.  50 years of smoking two packs a day is 730,000 cigarettes.   When you smoke, we are not taking care of the body, the temple of the Holy Spirit.  Caring for ourselves spiritually and physically is taking care of the temple. 

Some toxins are manufactured from within the human body.  The Bible talks about the “poisoned by bitterness” in Acts 8:23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity (sin).

Time Magazine had an article that mentioned the connection between forgiveness and health; and unforgiveness, bitterness and the development of disease.  A bitter person will develop toxicity, and there will be a stiffening of the membrane of the cells that causes toxins to be retained.  This core of bitterness releases a very lethal chemical in the body.  When combined with the stiffening of the membrane, this build-up toxicity can be as lethal as any external chemical, including PCBs.  Science tells us this chemical in the body is cortisol which will be covered next

It would do well for you to be kind to yourself and others because it many be good for your health.  In other words, do not beat up on yourself and others, especially with what comes out of your mouth in the form of anger and bitterness, James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.  Nobody is innocent of declared curses.

Immunity Damaged by Fear

Another factor surrounding cancer is damage to white blood cells which produce a compromised immune system.  Cortisol damage to interleukin 2 will not allow your white corpuscles to recognize the antigen marker on the invading tumor.  Cortisol is a very necessary chemical in soothing called the “fight or flight” response, but it is very damaging and can be lethal if it is released by the body like a dripping faucet.  This is called cortisol drip

If cortisol drip is occurring in the body, it produces cell death in the white corpuscles, the macrophages, and killer cells of your immune system. This creates a compromised immune system.  When that happens and interleukin 2 is destroyed by cortisol, then your immune system does not recognize cancer as an invader and cancer cells multiply.

Stress and anxiety, which is called fear in the bible, can release cortisol like a leaky faucet, and science tells us cortisol can destroy the immune system.  This type of fear comes about when a person does not feel loved, and they are unable to give and receive love themselves without fear.  This fear comes out of broken relationships, especially in the family.  If someone has not been kind to you or they abused you, this could cause you to have fear which leads to anger, bitterness, and unforgiveness.   Maybe you have experienced verbal, physical, emotional, or sexual abuse family, spouses, or friends.  Or maybe you have fallen into drivenness, performance, and perfectionism to receive love.  That is a disease maker!  It may be that the only acceptance you ever had was if you did everything right.  This is a disease maker!

Many cancers are coming out of bitterness and rejection by others.  If you have taken the wrongs of another person into your mind, your soul, your personality, and your spirituality, it is a disease maker.  Why should you die because of the sins of another towards you?  That is not a good exchange.  Let them go so that you may live.  Henry Wright has seen stage four terminal cancer disappear when somebody just forgave another person of their trespasses.  What if you forgave another person, and God honored this and by His Spirit removed the cancer form your body?  Forgiveness of people must be done over and over until the things they did to you do not sting anymore. Every time the memory surfaces you forgive them out loud.

The Cure: Reconciliation and Change

The begging of all disease prevention and healing of cancer is to be reconciled to God your Father through Jesus Christ, reconcile to yourself.  This means whatever bitterness, anger, and unforgiveness you have against others, yourself, or an organization (church, political parties, employers, government, etc.) must be addressed.  Again, we do this by forgiving others, yourself organizations, each day as Satan brings it to your attention. Eventually, these issues will minimize. 

According to Scriptures you are fearfully and wonderfully made, you are not a mistake, you are engraved upon the palms of His hands, your name is written down in heaven, and He calls you sons and daughters.  He has accepted you so you can love yourself.  In the area of reconciliation with others, God loves goofy, imperfect people.  The Lord did not come down from heaven to save sinless people.  God in His love sent His only begotten son because God loved us.  You must learn how to forgive others.  This does not mean you condone their sin, but rather, you understand that they do not know what they do.  The most imports intercessory prayer ever came from Jesus in Luke 23:34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”  Based on this scripture, we must understand that sin is a factor in people’s behavior and they do not know what they are doing, so we must forgive them.  It is not negotiable.

It is very discouraging to try to help someone and you end up losing them in the battle instead.  It comes down understanding that it really depends on them.  It is not on us or God.  We must be prepared to be changed.  If we can never say “I want to change,” then we will never change and we will continue to go to doctors and remain sick and diseased.  The work of the Holy Spirit is to allow us to be convicted and be able to change our spirituality and our personality.  Then our bodies physically, mentally, and emotionally will be responders to healing of cancer and any other sickness and disease. 

Constricted (Narrowed) Blood Vessel Causes and Symptoms

Blood vessel – A tubular structure which carries blood

Blood vessels are the structures of the circulatory system that transport blood throughout the human body. These vessels transport blood cells, nutrients, and oxygen to the tissues of the body. They also take waste and carbon dioxide away from the tissues. Blood vessels are needed to sustain life, because all the body's tissues rely on their functionality (Wikipedia).

What happens when you are in anxiety, stress, fear of failure, and fear of others, fear of this, and fear of that?  What happens when you think your life hangs in the balance? You do not know if you are going to have enough money or enough stuff. You wonder if you will have a job or worry about what is happening on the job.  Your worry about kids and family.  You may worry because you think your life is a mess, you do not have any control, and you think about a whirlwind of things that could go wrong. You continually think, “What about this?” and “What about that?” You do not feel safe here. You do not feel safe there. You are in a constant state of fear.  One becomes one with fear and fear controls their lives.  You can have a multitude of health issue due to stress, anxiety, and fear.

Stress, anxiety, and fear results in a nerve signal released to the sympathetic nervous system which causes our blood vessel walls to become rigid. Our blood vessels have a membrane casing, which blood flows through.

As you become scattered and feel smothered, the walls or the membranes of your blood vessels and your arteries begin to stiffen. This stiffening of the blood vessels is called cell membrane semi-rigidity. As the cell membrane begins to stiffen, it begins to thicken. As it begins to thicken, it begins to constrict.  As it begins to constrict. It narrows the diameter of the blood vessel which is carrying blood.

The blood is still flowing normally. But, as the blood vessels begin to narrow from the thickening, only part of the blood is coming through. The rest of the blood is backing up because the diameter of the blood vessel is not big enough anymore. Pressure builds from the blood not being able to flow normally. The pressure of the blood flowing through the blood vessels can be measured in something called blood pressure. Normal blood pressure means the blood is flowing correctly. In high blood pressure, the blood is backing up due to narrowing or constriction.

When a doctor determines you have High Blood Pressure, he wants to give you a drug which is a beta blocker. The beta blocker lies to you. The beta blocker shuts down the neurological pathway causing this syndrome that releases the nerve signal to stiffen the membranes of our blood vessels. When the pathway is shut down, the semi-rigidity goes away, the blood vessel opens and returns to its normal diameter and the blood flows.

Science and doctors are a good resource in explaining symptoms of sickness and disease.  Unfortunately, they cannot tell us the spiritual and physical causes of sickness and disease.  They cannot heal anyone with sickness or disease.  They just treat the symptoms.

Please bear with me as I review what science knows about blood vessels and the symptoms.  They all mention stress as a problem. Stress is fear.

Medical Xpress – Mental stress constricts blood vessels.

Cleveland Clinic – Too much Vasoconstriction, (muscle tightening from stress can raise you blood pressure).

Intramural Blog – Psychological stress/anxiety damages the brains blood vessels and worsens mental health.

National Library of Medicine - Brain-heart connections to stress and cardiovascular disease.

WWW.Science. Org – Chronic psychosocial stress is associated with increased cardiovascular disease.

Havard Health Publishing – Mental stress can curtail blood flow to the heart

Mayo Clinic – Reactions to stress can affect blood pressure

So, we know how stress can affect blood vessels, but they do not know how to eradicate the stress (fear)?

Fear definition – An unpleasant emotion. Like words are terror, fright, destress, worry, and anxiety.

Stress definition – A state of mental or emotional strain or tension.  Like words are anxiety, worry, and nervousness.

Anxiety definition – A feeling of worry, nervousness, or unease. Like words are worry, stress, and fear

Worry definition – A state of anxiety (worry).  Like words are stress and fear.

These four word definitions above are a necessity to understand the reason God mentions the word “fear” 365 time in the Bible and the many, many causes of sickness and disease due to fear.  These words are interconnected or linked together

I cannot tell you the number of times people will say “I don’t have fear.”  Well, if you have stress and anxiety, and worry, you have fear.  We all have fear and fear is very detrimental to our physical and mental health.

Fear is an evil spirit and it is called a demon in the Bible (Mark 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons).  Every fear (stress and anxiety) is its own individual fear.  Fear is not one huge fear mountain.  We can have thousands of individual fears and they will remain until we cast them out in Jesus’ name.  Fear will not go away on its own. 

I have few illnesses to share with you that has fear as the primary cause.  I share these because they are good example of what fear does to our mental and physical health.  All can be eradicated by effective prayer.

Depression – Depression is caused by anxiety (fear).  We know this because God tells us in the Bible.  Anxiety in the heart of man causes depression Proverbs 12:25 NKJV.  Havard Health Publishing says there are many chemical imbalances in the brain are the cause of depression.  Doctors prescribe meds for the depression and symptoms remain. Seems to me this is much more complicated than what God tells us in Proverbs. God tells us fear is the cause of depression.  So, what does God give us to heal depression?  He gives us power (authority) to cast out fear, 2 Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power (authority) and of love and of a sound mind.    

Fear is an evil spirit (demon) and a multitude of different fears causes depression.  God give us power to cast out fears in Jesus’ name and we will be healed.  No meds or doctors needed because God promises healing.  My question is: Why do people and especially Believers continue to make doctors their first and only option for depression?   

Roots definition: A dysphoric low mood disorder caused by fear, anger, and despair causing a level of futility (hopelessness) in one’s current circumstances. It facilitates adaptation to disappointment resulting in a pathological vicious cycle.

Possible Spiritual Roots: Conflict at the spirit and/or soul level; spirits of: heaviness and oppression (Spirit of Stupor Romans 11:8); lack of self-esteem; self-bitterness, self-rejection, self-hatred, and guilt causing low serotonin; fear (as in stress and anxiety); sometimes spirits that might have gained access because of a lack of nurturing in childhood.  Depression is a result of a chemical imbalance in the body. It is produced by conflict at the spirit and/or soul level in which the limbic system responds to this stress and the depression is a result of the of the chemical imbalance produce by the body in response.

Note: Prolonged exposure to depression leads to oppression and with it comes the spirit of stupor (Romans 11:8 God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, To this very day”).  Stupor is a condition of greatly dulled or completely suspended sense or sensibility; a drunken stupor; specifically: a chiefly mental condition marked by absence of spontaneous movement, greatly diminished responsiveness to stimulation, and usually impaired consciousness.  Also, stupor can be a state of extreme apathy (lack of emotion or interest) or torpor (a state of physical or mental inactivity; lethargy/fatigue) resulting often from stress (fear) or shock: daze. You will find fatigue and lethargy is one of the primary symptoms of depression/oppression.  They are in deep captivity where darkness does not allow one to see or hear.

Hair Loss / Baldness –The hair follicle is an organ found in mammalian skin.  It resides in the dermal layer of the skin and is made up of 20 different cell types, each with distinct functions. The hair follicle regulates hair growth via a complex interaction between hormones, neuropeptides, and immune cells. This complex interaction induces the hair follicle to produce different types of hair as seen on different parts of the body. 

Hair starts growing at the bottom of a hair follicle. The root of the hair is made up of protein cells and is nourished by blood from nearby blood vessels. As more blood cells are created, the hair grows out of the skin and reaches the surface.

Fear causes vessels to narrow to the point that the blood feeding the hair follicle becomes less and less.  Eventually, lack of blood will not allow the follicle to produce hair.  You see this hair loss with the elderly.  I see hair loss with young adults as well, especially women who have extreme stress/anxiety/fear trying to live up to what society expects from young women.  When I see baldness in younger people, especially men, it leads me to looking at generational fear.

Possible Spiritual Roots:  Generational spirits of: relationship fears due to victimization; self-blame; self-accusation; self-rejection, self-bitterness, self-hatred, and guilt; heaviness and oppression; ungodly grief, shame, and sorrow. Fear of not feeling loved or worthy to be loved.

Note: Fear constricts the blood vessels reducing the flow to the hair follicles.

Erectile Dysfunction and Impotence

Erectile dysfunction (impotence) is the inability to get and keep an erection firm enough for sex.  Having erection trouble from time to time is not necessarily a cause for concern. If erectile dysfunction is an ongoing issue, however, it can cause additional stress, affect your self-confidence, and contribute to relationship problems.

Again, fear comes into play because fear constricts the blood vessels.  This restricts the amount of blood needed for erection.  It is mostly specific to men over 50 years of age due to thousands of fears piling on over the years.

Possible Spiritual Root: Spirits of: fear (as in stress, anxiety, and worry) coming out of self-rejection and lack of self-esteem; fear of intimacy; fear of rejection; fear of failure; shame; fear of not being loved, fear of not being worthy, heaviness, oppression, and regrets.

Note:  Fear (feeling unloved or rejected) constricts (narrows) the blood vessels restricting blood flow to the penis.  Rejection by the spouse and the spouse not living up to a man’s expectations can have a profound effect on the man’s ability to have an erection.  Unfortunately, Hollywood, TV, and media have altered man’s expectations of women to an unrealistic level.  Men’s unreasonable expectations lead to the man having un-forgiveness, anger, and bitterness due to feeling rejected, by a women or wife.

Impotence

Spirits of: fear (as in stress and anxiety) coming out of self-rejection and lack of self-esteem; fear of intimacy; fear of rejection; fear of failure; shame; feeling unloved, heaviness and oppression (spirit of stupor Romans 11:8).

Most God-fearing believers fail to believe what God tells us in the Bible regarding sickness and disease.  They fail to understand that doctors cannot heal you.  Doctors and the medical field can only treat the symptoms.  The church is not any different.  They pray for the symptoms.  They tell you not to do this and not to do that and the flock remains sick and diseased.  We ask God to heal us, which is not a bad thing, but God sent His only Son to teach us how to heal as He did.  God wants us to bring believers and nonbelievers out of captivity, but we fail because of a lack of knowledge, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children, Hosea 4:6.  The Bible and the Holy Spirit are there for us to bring people out of captivity. 

Ask yourself why the church and the Body of Christ are in stupor? Romans 11:8 Just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, To this very day.”  Ask yourself, your pastor, and the body of Christ why they go to church events and church service sick and diseased and leave sick and diseased?  Ask your pastor or the congregation why they do not have a healing and deliverance ministry like Jesus had with His disciples?  Healing and deliverance in the church is not an option with God. Very few doing it. Very few are praying with effective prayer, James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another [your false steps, your offenses], and pray for one another, that you may be healed and restored. The heartfelt and persistent (effective) prayer of a righteous man (believer) can accomplish much [when put into action and made effective by God—it is dynamic and can have tremendous power. Amplified Version.

Bottom line is we and the church are not holding ourselves accountable to God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and what the bible teaches us.

A prayer and healing ministry is very difficult and very frustrating, because most people do not believe and if they kind of believe, they do not make themselves available for effective prayer.  Most want instant healing, but they fail to understand that it is a process.  We can cast out fear, bitterness, anger, unforgiveness, and unloving, but when they bring back these thoughts we need to pray again.  Little by little these issues began to minimize until they are not an issue anymore. Praying resulting in healing is a process.  You cannot have unforgiveness towards someone for fifty years and expect instant deliverance.  Again, healing of our sinful ways is a process. 

Lastly, we are responders to what we think physically and emotionally either good or bad.  T. Sanchez 10-2-2024